tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8640230194403714897.post3343925450533525758..comments2023-11-03T06:39:40.819-07:00Comments on Thinking Outside the Blog: An Open Letter to Messianic Jewish Leaders and CongregantsLouis Lapideshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04937345918099904842noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8640230194403714897.post-14218293160123591442016-02-21T10:14:21.152-08:002016-02-21T10:14:21.152-08:00My Question is this: What does the messianic movem...My Question is this: What does the messianic movement have in common with the Evangelical Church anyway, and why should one bother to call the other "brother"? Having been a faithful Evangelical for some 30 years kept me distracted from the REAL truth about the Messiah. When I started questioning enough, I came to realize that Christianity was built upon a LIE. Sure, it was 95% correct with the Scriptures, but 95% is still not 100% truth, and if it's not 100%, it is a LIE. Are we not commanded to have nothing to do with those who mock the Messiah? How do Christians "mock"? Oh is so many, many way...to the point where even the Jew has to become a "Christian" or go to an everlasting fire. Baloney! Every Jew must bow before Yeshua, and not the character the English brought along to bow to. Yeshua doesn't bow to any culture in what He is called or considered. Culture bows to HIM, or there can be no salvation.<br /><br />I think Messianic believers should concentrate on the unsaved JEW and others who are unsaved and forget the CHRISTIAN (who believe they are right in their assumptions). Very soon the entire world will change, and WHO we call "brother" will also change. We have to be very discerning. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13991670946656970438noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8640230194403714897.post-31883889827971658722015-09-27T07:54:41.252-07:002015-09-27T07:54:41.252-07:00It is possible that this site on John's gospel...It is possible that this site on John's gospel (Jewish Gospel of John) may be of some interest to you - www.JewishGospelofJohn.com <br /><br />Brachot, Eli (Eli.Lizorkin@eteachergroup.com)Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03106185639636564670noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8640230194403714897.post-73889362641698460262011-11-14T11:43:32.541-08:002011-11-14T11:43:32.541-08:00David: thanks for your comment. I am going to dis...David: thanks for your comment. I am going to disagree with you regarding the pejorative nature of the term "Conservative Republican." In some circles, it is a negative to be a CR. I grew up Democratic and I am Jewish. So I became a Jewish Republican Conservative as an adult. I've been on the receiving end of a lot of negative comments - I've been called a racist because I am a CR; I've been tagged as someone who has no compassion since I embraced Republican ideals. To make my point even more poignant. Prior to the sexual allegations against Herman Cain, he was the object of scorn, ridicule and racial comments by white liberals in the media and black liberals. Some shocking comments were made by Harry Belafonte against Cain simply because Cain in a black conservative. There is a group think in liberal black circles that if you are part of the party of Lincoln, you're a puppet of white people or a "self hating black: or still serving the white master. Google the comments made by liberal media pundits prior to the sexual allegations. Cain is not free to be a CR. He must tote the black caucus group think or else. The same is true for conservatives Shelby Steele and Thomas Sowell. About those links to the reviews of With God on Our Side here they are: http://www.newenglishreview.org/Dexter_Van_Zile/The_Mis-Education_of_a_Young_Evangelical/<br /><br />http://www.scribd.com/doc/49980263/A-Response-to-the-film-With-God-on-Our-Side<br /><br />Thanks for your comments, David.Louis Lapideshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04937345918099904842noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8640230194403714897.post-47027258319126536112011-11-12T14:38:56.824-08:002011-11-12T14:38:56.824-08:00"Conservative Republican" is not a pejor..."Conservative Republican" is not a pejorative term. Conservative Republicans proudly call themselves Conservative Republicans, so why would you equate it with "self-hating Jews," or "apostate Christian"? Nobody calls himself that. You are not comparing apples with apples.<br /><br />Now to your blog: I am wondering if you can point me to reviews of God on our Side. I am interested in what the Christian Zionist side has to say about the film that does not distract their points with unnecessary pejorative terms and inflammatory rhetoric.David Chohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10635380194329897550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8640230194403714897.post-76947337693533469062011-11-09T17:40:00.975-08:002011-11-09T17:40:00.975-08:00Thank you, Mr. Lapides for your kind response.Thank you, Mr. Lapides for your kind response.HisVesselhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15120459660723315081noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8640230194403714897.post-14866509510027154422011-11-09T16:40:38.211-08:002011-11-09T16:40:38.211-08:00@His Vessel To call someone a "leftist" ...@His Vessel To call someone a "leftist" is not name calling. Neither is the term "self hating Jew" anymore than the terms "liberal Christian" or "apostate Christian." These names describe the political ideology of a person; you can call me a Republican conservative. My feelings won't be hurt and neither should the feelings of those in the left wing camp. We all need tougher skins today.<br /><br />Yes, Israel was established on left-leaning socialist democratic principles. However, the country has evolved into the most democratic nation in the ME, including all Arab countries. The Jewish people who were expelled from Russia and migrated to Israel brought with them these ideologies of communal living but since then have left the kibbutzim mindset and have become more westernized. What Arab nation has Jews on their governing board? Israel has Arabs in the Kenneset and they are given the power to vote and voice their policies even if they are anti-Israel. <br />In the pro-Palestinian Christian film With God on Our Side, producer/director Porter Speakman has a self hating Jew Normal Finkelstein represent the Jewish side. Is that fair? Why did he not have Jewish scholars who are familiar with Jewish history? Instead, he chooses a Jewish person known among the Jewish community as one who is anti-Zionist. That's called propaganda. Where were the messianic Jews in the film? Evangelical biblical scholars? I have to use the word "leftist" to warn readers about who they would be reading in your list. I would use the word "liberal" if you listed a group of books written by Christian liberal theologians who denied the fundamentals of the faith. It is my duty as it is yours to warn people just like the biblical writers did. If it bothers you so much, then you have problems with Paul who called out false teachers in their midst. As for the messianic Jews in Israel, the law in Eretz Yisrael states Jews cannot be offered any gifts/bribes by Christian evangelists in order to persuade them to read the BNew Testament. I think it is an unfair law and I do not support it. Neither do I support persecution of messianic Jews by radical Orthodox Jewish groups like Yad L'Achim who have made themselves enemies of the gospel but they are to be prayed for. They hate messianic Jews because we preach Jesus as the Messiah and Lord not because messianic Jews are anti-Zionists. Your comment about "Israel being the fourth member of the Trinity" is a cheap shot. As a messianic Jew I do not agree with everything Israel does; I don't agree with everything done in evangelical Christianity either. But when I read propaganda manufactured, financed and distributed by Palestinians Christians, I am going to speak up. Thanks for the continuing dialogue. As a brother in the Lord, I know there is a lot we do agree on -the essentials of the faith-and ultimately that is all that matters from an eternal perspective. God bless.Louis Lapideshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04937345918099904842noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8640230194403714897.post-82514205978690968402011-11-09T11:17:52.835-08:002011-11-09T11:17:52.835-08:00Dear Mr. Lapides,
You are right to say that you “...Dear Mr. Lapides, <br />You are right to say that you “do not to care for ideologies and emotional arguments, but in historical data”. Why then resort to name-calling? “Leftist”,“self-hating Jews”? I’m not sure that the L-word (leftist) can be used to describe the ideology of every man on my list, but I do know that the modern state of Israel was founded on leftist principles; the kibbutz, being one example. Name-calling and labeling people is a way to trick oneself into not listening to reasonable arguments that go against what one cherishes.<br />They are not less of a Jew those who do not desire Israel as their homeland and who write in criticism of it. To be critical of a political state; Israel, who by the way, discriminates against Messianic Jews, cannot and should not in any way be compared to sinful men questioning and denying the sacred, holy truths of God. I much regret your analogy. To deny Jesus’ claims is spiritual suicide; to deny Zionist’s claims is not, unless Israel be the fourth person of the Trinity.HisVesselhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15120459660723315081noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8640230194403714897.post-45235578792947618052011-11-07T12:43:38.803-08:002011-11-07T12:43:38.803-08:00@HisVessel Thanks for your comments. It's o...@HisVessel Thanks for your comments. It's of no surprise to me that you'd come up with a list of leftist, anti-Zionist Jewish writers who deny the need for a homeland for the Jewish people. I'm not interested in ideologies or emotional arguments but in historical data, My response to you is to "Google" all the liberal, apostate Christian theologians who deny the deny the Jesus, deny the second coming, the authority of the Bible, the virgin birth and the atonement made by Christ. These people start with the presupposition of a lack of belief in supernatural, the existence of God and the veracity of the Bible. If you read those books, would you still be "His Vessel." I've read a lot of them and I am ever more committed to the truths of the Christian faith only because I understood the presuppositional hatred these Christian writers have for the Truth. The same can be said for Jews who write against Zionism. Many of them are leftists self hating Jews like Norman Finkelstein in the film With God on Our Side. He's an embarrassment to the Jewish people.Louis Lapideshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04937345918099904842noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8640230194403714897.post-39807584105490765222011-11-05T16:08:55.986-07:002011-11-05T16:08:55.986-07:00Dear Mr. Lapides,
I have never heard of these eva...Dear Mr. Lapides, <br />I have never heard of these evangelicals you warn about. It could be that you also have never heard about the following Jewish men and their work. 1. Joel Kovel, "Overcoming Zioniosm"<br />2. Uris Davis, "Israel: An Apartheid State" <br />3. Israel Shahak, "Jewish Fundamentalism in Israel"<br /> 4. Israel Shamir, "Galilee Flowers" <br />5. Gilad Atzmon, "The Wondering Who?" <br />6. Eitan Bronstein, activist (http://www.zochrot.org/en)<br />7. Michael Neumann, "Israelis and Indians".<br />I humbly encourage the reading of any of the above.HisVesselhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15120459660723315081noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8640230194403714897.post-28662896066019399212011-11-05T12:49:00.163-07:002011-11-05T12:49:00.163-07:00A very timely reminder of the need to ensure our f...A very timely reminder of the need to ensure our faith is grounded in nothing less than the whole counsel of Scipture and to view world events through that as opposed to our poltical and cultural bias. As an evangelical pastor Replacement Theology has always concerned me, if for no other reason that if God has changed his mind concerning his rpmises to his chosen people then on what basis can we have confidence in his word to us through Jesus Christ. Likewise on what basis can we say that he is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow?Docnimsbyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15650471551566643339noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8640230194403714897.post-23740898581817798172011-11-05T09:37:08.903-07:002011-11-05T09:37:08.903-07:00I hope that readers will take the time to read the...I hope that readers will take the time to read the articles.Opening_Doorshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14812151048119697109noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8640230194403714897.post-88273840252410454152011-11-04T16:43:16.979-07:002011-11-04T16:43:16.979-07:00Terri: your comment is somewhat unclear but I'...Terri: your comment is somewhat unclear but I'll try to respond. Let me start off by correcting you about 100s of 100s of Christians living in Palestinian territories. To be more accurate, the number is 27,000. See my blog http://thinkingoutsidetheblog.blogspot.com/2011/08/how-are-christians-living-in.html<br />You have to ask yourself why are there so few Palestinian Christians living in the territories. It can't be due to Israelis going after PCs. It is more likely that PCs find it difficult to live among 3 million Palestinian Muslims who lack any respect for Christianity.<br />Also, there are almost a million Arab Israelis living in Israel who enjoy more freedom than Arabs living in every Muslim country in the ME. If you read my blogs and the other ones listed in the most recent blog includes authors who do address "the underdogs." The purpose of my article is to widen the base of authors, bloggers, leaders, speakers from among the messianic Jewish community to deal with the efforts by PCs to turn the evangelical church against Israel. Who are the ones "living the truth"? Palestinian Christians? They are good at making people believe they are for non-violence and peacemaking and showing love to their enemies- the Israeli soldiers. Most of it is a front. <br />Sami Awad , a leading Palestinian Christian claims he wants peace with Israel and wants to recognize Israel as they recognize a Palestinian state. But in Sami Awads tweets, he refers articles aimed at calling into question the legitimacy of a Jewish state. The PC crowd may sound like they want to love Israel but their ultimate goal is to deny the existence of a Jewish state. Here are some of Sami Awad's tweets; he is president of the Holy Land Trust.<br />http://twitter.com/#!/holylandtrust/status/15917301951<br />http://twitter.com/#!/Sami_Awad/status/120370108756533248<br />http://twitter.com/#!/holylandtrust/status/77679200038961152Louis Lapideshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04937345918099904842noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8640230194403714897.post-31787823040532662802011-11-04T07:38:40.623-07:002011-11-04T07:38:40.623-07:00The Palestinian 'underdogs' happen to incl...The Palestinian 'underdogs' happen to include hundreds of thousands of Christians. Those are the 'activists' you should be talking to. They are the ones living the 'truth'. blessings and peace.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11479274234275951327noreply@blogger.com